tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post6913836825954437123..comments2023-09-06T03:58:31.493-04:00Comments on At The Point Of A Gun: The Crystal BallDave Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13779153708960447630noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-46864504375502712712011-04-22T16:38:24.026-04:002011-04-22T16:38:24.026-04:00Viv,
McCain was every bit as liberal as Obama, an...Viv,<br /><br />McCain was every bit as liberal as Obama, and took the lead on a number of issues Obama went on to front, such as bailouts and "health care reform". I could not separate one from the other, actually. Further, I could not allow my vote to go for someone who would have seen us about exactly where we currently are regarding government spending, "health care", or a host of other of the negatives, especially knowing we would not even have his ear as we did, grudgingly, from Bush the last. I would not allow my party to take the blame for the fallout I knew would come from such choices. It was our yammering that ended amnesty (another McCain want), the horrid Supreme court nominee, and a number of other Bush blunders (if too, we didn't stop them all). McCain made it clear he was going to ignore, even disrespect conservatives. Trump will and is pandering to everyone, so where he really stands is anyone's guess and Romney has made it clear that he likes Romneycare. Half of one, six of the other.<br /><br />Reagan won those independents and Democrats who are actually more strongly fiscally conservative than they are socially liberal. He defined himself outside of the middling muck most politicians attempt to make themselves out to be, thus limiting the scope of what they can do while in office. Reagan ran on real conservative values and won in a landslide.Doomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392444624210801173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-61071502927447995622011-04-22T10:16:41.015-04:002011-04-22T10:16:41.015-04:00Doom, if you were so opposed to Obama and the left...Doom, if you were so opposed to Obama and the leftist agenda, why would you refuse to vote for the Republican nominee in 2008 (or hypothetically one that isn't perfect in your view in 2012)? That seems counter-productive to your professed convictions. Also, the point about Reagan is that he was able to ENTICE Democrats and Independents. This was my point all along. Perhaps you neglected to read the part where I suggested the nominee must be a fighter; he must win over (not reject) those who disagree with him 25% of the time; and he must communicate on the issues in a way that doesn't spark too much polarizing reaction.<br /><br />I am discussing the political strategy that must be deployed in order to WIN. All you have said is, "If I don't get my ideal candidate, I don't care about defeating Obama's agenda. My type of candidate is the only one that can win." You have spent more time complaining about McCain than you have Obama in this discussion.<br /><br />So again I ask you, how does your "ideal candidate" win votes in Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada, Colorado and New Hampshire? Who would your ideal candidate be?Vivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634522368549741787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-57159793670361168362011-04-22T02:04:01.438-04:002011-04-22T02:04:01.438-04:00Reagan was not a true big tent conservative. His ...Reagan was not a true big tent conservative. His "big tent" approach did not include even nominally Democratic ideas or actors. He was a rather strict interpreter of both fiscal and social conservativism. I would suggest he was more along the lines of Ryan publicly, and more like a boxer in actual practice. And, actually, he ran a rather scathing campaign against Bush, Sr. as I recall.<br /><br />What amazes me is that some believe attack politics doesn't work. The hard truth is, it does. The thing is to use it judiciously. But confusing solid candidates with how a campaign is run is like confusing hard truths with how they need to be expressed for the greatest appeal. <br /><br />I wish I could honestly say the average American was fed up with Obama. The truth is, the only thing the average American cares about is what they can put on their plate, backs, over their heads, and as wheels on the road, and for a relatively short foreseeable future. Still, if hard choices aren't made and strong politicians aren't put in place to actually lead, we are in trouble. McCain and those of his ilk neither can nor would make those kinds of leadership moves. They are incapable, populists that they are. <br /><br />Bah! Why I bother.Doomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392444624210801173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-60095251337575329682011-04-22T00:56:10.692-04:002011-04-22T00:56:10.692-04:00@Doom - Reagan was a big tent candidate; what'...@Doom - Reagan was a big tent candidate; what's so bad about attracting independents or - gasp - Democrats who will cross over?<br /><br />What you're really saying is you don't want a moderate, or one whom you think is a moderate. What you want is someone who will attack non-conservatives. That kind of person will not, NOT attract people to our side. You CAN be a human being and still be a principled conservative. I think too many have forgotten this.Bethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-876847526507975572011-04-21T23:32:38.553-04:002011-04-21T23:32:38.553-04:00So you expect to win independents by nominating a ...So you expect to win independents by nominating a far-right conservative candidate such as...?Vivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634522368549741787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-81614091835561021672011-04-21T21:26:19.491-04:002011-04-21T21:26:19.491-04:00Obviously, McCain and his ilk do not bring in enou...Obviously, McCain and his ilk do not bring in enough conservatives or independents for a win. Further, I strongly contend that strongly conservative candidates do win. At least when the RNC, and other Republican resources, do not sandbag or abandon them. Even then they sometimes pull through.<br /><br />Becoming like Obama will help no Republican candidate. Romneycare will not cut it and "Bush is evil" will not either. Some things just are not correctable. Bits from the "liberal" talking head's favorite "Republican" candidates.Doomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392444624210801173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-31465219635926886412011-04-21T18:22:57.979-04:002011-04-21T18:22:57.979-04:00Doom, how do you expect to beat Obama without appe...Doom, how do you expect to beat Obama without appealing to independent voters?Vivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634522368549741787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-41291255802508915322011-04-21T18:22:16.540-04:002011-04-21T18:22:16.540-04:00Rob, thank you. Multi-tasking got the best of me. ...Rob, thank you. Multi-tasking got the best of me. I have corrected the link.Vivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634522368549741787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-54023034776782323102011-04-21T16:17:31.506-04:002011-04-21T16:17:31.506-04:00I thought McCain was the dream candidate for the &...I thought McCain was the dream candidate for the "big tent" theory? No? Well, believe what you will. Put up another big tent candidate and I, again, will not vote for president. I will not participate in further degradation of the nation.Doomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392444624210801173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5899195780406085624.post-77427276604638354292011-04-21T15:05:35.962-04:002011-04-21T15:05:35.962-04:00Umm, I think you have the wrong link in there.Umm, I think you have the wrong link in there.Rob Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13744370123241743193noreply@blogger.com